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    Posted: 22 Jan 20 at 7:19pm
 I hate Feva main halyards. They always seem to slip and are difficult for users to get into the cleat. Often users go out with them tied around some other bit of the boat because they have given up.

What is the best sort of halyard to buy? Are there any ways of making it all easier. I'll fit some new cleats anyway, they are 6 yrs old.
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For our training boats we gave up and put cleats at boom height, which work fine. Out of class, but I really don't care.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Riv Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 20 at 11:32am
Yes, good idea, we'll go with that.

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Just be careful not to use the spinnaker or heavy sailors in breeze with the haliard pinned at boom height - the middle of the rig goes really floppy when the haliard goes bar tight as there’s no spreaders to support the rig sideways
Recommend replacing the cleat high up if you can
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 20 at 8:50am
This is a classic case of something that seems a daft idea on the outside having a very good reason! Don't underestimate the compression going through the mast.

I tend to "stack" two open clamcleats inline one above the other on my boats so that if one slips the other will catch it. You could try this at the top of the masts on the club boats.

These things do have a life and you don't see boats pf photos of Fevas racing with their mainsails drooping. So while I agree its an awkward arrangement this seems more likely to be a wear rather than a design issue.
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If you do decide to stick with the mast head cleat I've found the type of rope has a much bigger impact than I realised.  On the aero (which has a much more powerful Cunningham than the feva) I've switched to Marlow Excel R8, and eliminated all slipping in the cleat. It's quite a rough texture on the outer so I wouldn't use it for a control line I have to handle regularly but works well for the halyard.  (No affiliation to Marlow, just found a product that works) 
As a cheaper option for club boats, you may find good old fashioned 3 strand will grip well in the cleat and as the cleat is mast head rope stretch shouldn't be much of an issue as the rope run is short.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Riv Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Feb 20 at 3:48pm
Thanks Moomin, that's useful info.

Basic problenm for us with the Feva is that it is the only boat we have with a masthead halyard lock/cleat; so when our many casual users rig them they don't see the masthead cleat and tend to use the down haul cleat as it's obviously in the right place isn't it?

So we have one boat that is borrowed for competitions which I'll leave as standard and replace the halyard and the other two I'll add lower cleats and a loop to keep the halyard very close to the mast at hounds level.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Feb 20 at 9:31pm
I did worry a little about mast compression, but we've had no issues at all when using kites in training. I'd not know if we have knocked .1 of a knot off the speed, but the rig is coping.
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