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    Posted: 28 Aug 09 at 7:16pm
Hi all, anyone any experience with sailing a Tasar?

I'm looking for a boat to sail with my other half over the winter, effectively teaching her how to sail. Because of this, I don't think I want a kite boat, but I'm still considering a Scorp or a Lark if I change my mind.

I've been told by the other half 'I want to sail a cool looking boat like a 200' - this effectively rules out an Ent and Alb (I wonder how many others have been put off sailing by the image of a boat???). Sadly, with only a 2K budget the 200 is out of reach. I would be very tempted by a NS14, if only you could buy them over here 2K secondhand. I have though of asking the I14 boys to put me one in their container if there's space available while out in AUS for their worlds, but I do't think I could afford the 'postage'. A N12 just doesn't appeal in the same way I have to say, I just feel too big sat in one or stood next to it. There's something about a longer boat, the way it just slips along effortlessly to windward.

We will be sailing on a relativly small shifty pond, most probably in lighter winds, with an all up crew weight of 130kg.

This brings my train of thought back round to the Tasar. Anyone any thoughts or advice with the Tasar? How does it sail to its PY? It must be one of the few boats I've not seen win one of the big winter events.

Anyone think of a class I missed thats worth considering?


The more I think about this, the more I see a real gap in the market for a modern looking 2 man hiking boat in the UK, about 14 - 16 foot long, designed with a crew weight of 120-145kg with no wood, transom mainsheets or any other old fashion elements, and a PY of 950 - 1020ish. Yes you could argue the ent, alb, grad etc have a very strong position, but I'm sure I'm not the only one in the country after a modern equivelent?

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Try the new Lark by Ovi!

You don't have to put the kite up and I've found that unless its really windy or the reaches tight I can talk a raw beginner through it and after one race they're proficient enough.  Difficult thing about spinnakers in all the dinghies I've sailed is the helm giving the crew a stable platform to work from, crack that and the rest is just practice.

If you can't get a Lark then the Tasar is a great boat.

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Tasar is a good boat; if you want to make you wife give up sailing then learning over the winter is a good plan ... otherwise what is wrong with the summer?
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Tasar sounds like it'll fit your bill. I've got a 32 year old boat- but with a respray and new sails it looks as new. The Mylar sails do make it look very modern.

Performs well to handicap if sailed well. They are quick boats for what they are- a fireball is approx 1 minute per hour quicker- so not a long considering spinny + trapeze.

One reason for not winning big events is partly because of a lack of rock star sailors in the class. More importantly is the fact that the tasar is quick due to being very efficient (high aspect d/board, rotating mast etc) which struggles when sailing in dirty wind- which is inevitable when sailing in the middle of a handicap fleet.

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Originally posted by Garry

Try the new Lark by Ovi!

You don't have to put the kite up and I've found that unless its really windy or the reaches tight I can talk a raw beginner through it and after one race they're proficient enough.  Difficult thing about spinnakers in all the dinghies I've sailed is the helm giving the crew a stable platform to work from, crack that and the rest is just practice.

If you can't get a Lark then the Tasar is a great boat.

Garry

Is the new ovi lark 2k then??

Rick, Charlies girlfriend will be alight in the winter, she is irish so is used to the cold and wet.   She has sailed a fair ammount with Charlie in the past and i doubt he will give her a dunking in a boat like a taser!  Charlie a Taser looks like its the boat for you fella!

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The tasar is really good value for money, I have had two older boats and they were light and fast...in fact i think it was 271 which won several nationals.

I saw three boats of various ages having tight racing up at Helensburgh SC on a recent visit. Sexy milars indeed!

Mckee brothers are rock stars , with wives, in the tasar from the US 49er team, but yeah it has been a while since anyone gave the boat more profile.

Remember, if  you are sailing in the windy old winter, the 'design wind' of the tasar is 9knts....there after you are depowering by flattening the sails, opening the slot and using the traveller to sheet the main, with the kicker pulled hard for big depowers.

" total and simple sailing and racing" was supposedly the acronym for the boat but  bit of a nasty shock when a non spinn, non trap boat glides past you is more like it!


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In my opinion the Tasar is very hard to sail to yardstick on a shifty pond, they have a low PY so are expected to be faster than things like Larks and 200s but IMHO they will only perform to handicap if you have lots of fetch type legs on your typical courses and only then in wind over 15mph so you can plane. I race against Tasars on my small shifty pond and beat them on the water in a Laser!

IMHO for doing well to yardstick on a small shifty pond you needs a hard chined boat, this ensures that when you get a puff you use the extra wind to go forward rather than sideways. In boats like Lasers (and I assume Tasars) when you get a puff you go sideways first before going forwards. Things like Ents, Grads and Phantoms do well on my puddle.

What are the main classes on your lake? Can you not get one of them? Your other half will learn quicker and enjoy it more if you are racing with others on even terms, she will appreciate that the bad tack you just did cost you a place, in a handicap race she wont notice.

 

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I agree with womble12345 you have got no chance sailing a Taser to its PY on a small shifty pond i have tried many times on my shifty pond.

The taser is a great boat tho and it is a nice boat to sail when there is a bit of breeze. If you want a fun boat to sail in this is the one i would go with over a lark anyday. for 2k you will get a good one just bare in mind that the mylar sails have been around for a while now and any boat with just one set you find them very tied.

I sail a Merlin and i would recomend it lots a phone for a small pond

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Charlie, I'm suprised given where you used to sail, that you havnt considered a Scorpion.

As you well know they go really well on small shifty lakes like Elton SC.

If your other half is competent enough that you'd consider teaching her how to crew a 200 (if you had the cash) then I'm sure she'd pick up the symmetric kite skills no problem. Reasonable 2nd hand Scorps are around for 2kish.

Paul

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Sep 09 at 11:31am
He had been talking about a Scorp again Paul, He is talking about sailing at Bowmoor this winter.  I think Charlie drew the conclusion they may struggle at bowmoor.
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