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Forum Name: Mark Rushall's Troubleshooting Corner
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Topic: Getting rolled
Posted By: Mark R
Subject: Getting rolled
Date Posted: 09 Feb 07 at 1:52pm
Anyone have any trouble defending?

Running/reaching/uwind?

Any particular situations?wind strengths?

Post your questions an I'll do my best in a future feature of Yachts and
yachting.

Hope you are enjoying the weather in blighty: Its hot and sunny here in
florida and we are just waiting for the sea breeze to fill in....



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Mark



Replies:
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 09 Feb 07 at 1:54pm

No, and we all hope it rains very soon

 



Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 09 Feb 07 at 6:12pm
The weather in blighty is shighty, thank you very much, and we are not waiting for wind, it's blowing a gale (which in many cases is causing the snow to drift, sooff!)

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Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 09 Feb 07 at 9:13pm

Yes, rounding the weather mark and hitting the right angle in an asymmetric is difficult.  If in doubt I go low so I can at least gybe away, but it is very easy to get sucked into going for speed and often too high to defend ones wind.

Anyway how do you judge if the boat going higher is in fact getting to leewardfaster then you?



Posted By: Sarah B
Date Posted: 12 Feb 07 at 2:22pm
One design racing - Lasers yesterday. Defended my spot on a tight reach (flat water, about 15ktsish), but the other lasers were close behind, then had to round mark onto a run/broad reach where two boats opt to go to windward of me and one to leeward. What should I do to defend? I don't want to go too high and let the person to leeward sail the shortest route to the mark, but then if I go low, I get rolled.

As it happens the two above rolled me, but I over took one on the next beat. So I ultimately lost one place. Grrh.




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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 14 Feb 07 at 4:00pm

Fast Assymetric sailing (eg 49er) rounding the windward mark and setting the kite, defending from one boat close astern.

If you bear away and hoist (hence slowing down) they sail over the top blanketing you and then hoist and overtake whilst you wait for the wind to come back. If you Gybe they do the same, blanket and again sail over you. If you delay the kite hoist and stay high, so do they but you have to hoist at somepoint and then they overtake you.

How do you defend from this type of tactic, other than not letting another boat get that close in the first place. Even rounding the mark in a bunch someone will still do this to you. What I normally do is gybe right on the mark and hope they don't manage to do the same, hence they can't follow, but with an equal opposition they will be able to follow and overtake every time.

cheers

Matt



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Matt
RS700 933


Posted By: glewis
Date Posted: 16 Feb 07 at 12:52pm

Ok, just a guess, but round the mark and continue staying high and force them to go beneath you, at that point raise the kite, although they may at that point start to roll you.......oh.

 

Goes to lie down with a cold towel wrapped round the head. 



Posted By: WildWood
Date Posted: 16 Feb 07 at 1:31pm

Broad reach legs, after rounding the mark everyone starts luffing up to avoid getting sailed over.  This results in the fleet sailing a long bow leg rather than straight to the next mark.  If you go straight to the mark and sail the shortest distance you get bad air.  The other option of going lower to find clear air never seems to work.



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Posted By: glewis
Date Posted: 16 Feb 07 at 1:36pm

Then the options which are left to you after the windwrard mark are:-

1. Sail very high and force people to go beneath you.

2. Gybe away and try to find clear air.

3. Go deep, raise the kite quickly and look to accelrate away from whomever is behind you.

None of these options appear to be good, so may be the answer is to looks at what you can do before you reach the mark because it sounds like you cannot really avoid the inevitable happening once you have rounded the mark if you have someone sitting on your transom.

 

Thoughts/criticisms/abuse?

 

Giles

Solution 414



Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 16 Feb 07 at 11:26pm

glewis might have something there.  But before you do anything you have to have made a decision about whether you want to go left or right.  If you let boats down below, you are condemed to continue on the starboard gybe until they gybe away.  If you go low and gybe you will be on port on a collision course with those coming up to the mark on starboard and you'll have port takers coming up below you calling "windward boat".

You have to already have decided which way to go.  If you want to retain freedom to gybe away then sail a bit deep and let the less thoughful roll you and then gybe away.  If you want to continue on the starboard gybe then this is likely to be slightly headed and it'll be difficult for the others to go over you without going to high for a good VMG.  However this is not the time to fluff the hoist as you don't want to get rolled and have to gybe away.

So maybe before the hoist a little luff or dive to leeward will steer the boat behind into a position which is good for you.

As I have said before I'm better at talking about it than doing it!



Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 19 Feb 07 at 1:30pm
i have the same problem as wild wood. how do you defend your wind on a long reach without following everyone else and being forced high.

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